Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[uscmiller22]

So I'm seeing a pattern here. The people here (mostly, if not all the ones that don't even subscribe to him) are mad that he lied and/or he missed his date. The problem all comes down to is, the date.

So you're telling me, all this uproar would have not happened if he never said an expected release date in the first place? like he could spend the exact same time developing the game, releases the game in May and got no complaints, because he didn't make an expected release date? that's wild.

Well, maybe some complaints about the long dev time, but not persecuted to the same degree because he missed his predicted release date.

You mean to tell me that people don’t like being misled and lied to??? What a shocking concept. “So you’re telling me if he didn’t lie and mislead his fans, they wouldn’t be as angry?” How is this even an actual question you need to pose.

Of course you just excuse it and act like that’s not shady, we all know you’ll never say anything even remotely resembling criticism about your lord and savior.

 

[dartred]

You mean to tell me that people don’t like being misled and lied to??? What a shocking concept. “So you’re telling me if he didn’t lie and mislead his fans, they wouldn’t be as angry?” How is this even an actual question you need to pose.

Of course you just excuse it and act like that’s not shady, we all know you’ll never say anything even remotely resembling criticism about your lord and savior.

uh... what? the problem is he missed his prediction. missing his prediction made the "lie". if he just worked on the game without giving a prediction, there's nothing that he could have lied about. how is that so hard to understand?

you guys are mad at what he said. if he said nothing, there'd be nothing for you guys to be angry at. he could have just continued releasing his teasers every 2 weeks until the game eventually dropped.

again, like i said in my last post and you're proving it here. You guys are mad that he missed his prediction.

edit: forgot to address the first part. i never said that. i never said people don't like that. when did i even talk about that? weird thing to put into my mouth. as a matter of fact, i said i disliked the delay several times in this thread and even on the previous page.

 

[preglovr12]

if he said nothing, there'd be nothing for you guys to be angry at.

Huh? If he said nothing people would still be wondering where the hell the update is that he said was 93% completed at the beginning of January, likely claiming that to be a lie.

 

[dartred]

Huh? If he said nothing people would still be wondering where the hell the update is that he said was 93% completed at the beginning of January, likely claiming that to be a lie.

not really. the argument is his predictions. if he never did percentages or any form of tell of how much he thought he had complete, there would be no lie to poke at. it would just waiting for teasers and see when it drops.

and yes, how much he "thought" he had completed. The game is worked on and developed with just an idea what the next update will hold. ask most devs, scenes are added as it goes. You often get a flash of an idea and you add a scene that wasn't planned. In this case, it's the devs last chapter. he said he is trying to include as much as possible. Not to mention he had to add extra scenes for the last chance polls.

 

[acehigh]

I want those sweet, sweet "tech updates"

 

[preglovr12]

not really. the argument is his predictions. if he never did percentages or any form of tell of how much he thought he had complete, there would be no lie to poke at. it would just waiting for teasers and see when it drops.

If he never said anything people would be mad he never said anything. Sure, there'd be less people mad but he'd probably have less patrons as well. This is a pointless thought experiment and idk what point youre trying to make.

and yes, how much he "thought" he had completed. The game is worked on and developed with just an idea what the next update will hold. ask most devs, scenes are added as it goes. You often get a flash of an idea and you add a scene that wasn't planned. In this case, it's the devs last chapter. he said he is trying to include as much as possible. Not to mention he had to add extra scenes for the last chance polls.

We know he's doing epilogues, and if he's this far behind, why not just save a couple scenes for the epilogues? In December he said it was a slow month in which he had the flu and obviously the holidays yet he still completed 4% of the update. We're three months away from that point and he thinks he needs another couple?

 

[14137]

not really. the argument is his predictions. if he never did percentages or any form of tell of how much he thought he had complete, there would be no lie to poke at. it would just waiting for teasers and see when it drops.

and yes, how much he "thought" he had completed. The game is worked on and developed with just an idea what the next update will hold. ask most devs, scenes are added as it goes. You often get a flash of an idea and you add a scene that wasn't planned. In this case, it's the devs last chapter. he said he is trying to include as much as possible. Not to mention he had to add extra scenes for the last chance polls.

That was the truth. He shouldn't have made this random announcement.
After waiting for more than a year, everyone was waiting anxiously and suppressed.
His sudden announcement was like a battle horn, inspiring everyone's fighting spirit. His popularity reached its peak.
Then he "mistaken".
The anger is justified. Even for free players. These free players come because they love and look forward to this game too.

 

[dartred]

If he never said anything people would be mad he never said anything. Sure, there'd be less people mad but he'd probably have less patrons as well. This is a pointless thought experiment and idk what point youre trying to make.

I didn't say, "say nothing". I said, anything to do when it's going to release. He would still posts status updates every 15 days as usual to show his work and what scenes he's done. things that get people excited for the upcoming chapter.

 

[dartred]

The anger is justified. Even for free players. These free players come because they love and look forward to this game too.

This is weird. you say free players. Just call it what they are, pirates and that's fine. I'm guilty of pirating games too, it's why were all on this site. The way you word it makes it sound like WWG gives out a free edition. Which some devs do.

it's just weird that the people that are pirating, are complaining the loudest, telling the pledgers what they should be feeling. While the people pledging have been mostly cool headed and understanding.

Why is that? that the pledges are not the ones up in arms, but the pirates are angry about the missed date?

 

[preglovr12]

I didn't say, "say nothing". I said, anything to do when it's going to release. He would still posts status updates every 15 days as usual to show his work and what scenes he's done. things that get people excited for the upcoming chapter.

Most of his recent status updates are literally just a percentage...

 

[dartred]

Most of his recent status updates are literally just a percentage...

I know. I'm talking about that being the root the problem. He gave %'s and timeframes and he wasn't on the mark. The forum exploded. So i called out that the anger stems from the dev's post about his timeframes. So i'm saying that the anger is really dumb and that can be cancelled out by the dev not posting things like %'s and guesses. Instead just work on the game and keep us updated. his pledgers are not the ones mad that he missed his guess.

what i'm trying to get at is. If he didn't give us timeframes on when he thought he was going to finish, this bump in the road that happened to him could have happened and we would have never know, unless he tells us. We would just assume he is working on the game, business as usual. we wouldn't have known it happened right at the finish line either. .he would just continue with teasers and normal status updates every 15 days.

that about sums it up.

 

[preglovr12]

I'm talking about that being the root the problem.

The root of the problem is this update is taking forever and people are frustrated, and anything they could complain about, they would.

 

[dartred]

The root of the problem is this update is taking forever and people are frustrated, and anything they could complain about, they would.

It's not what the root of the arguments for pages has been. Not even my words, but theirs. The complaints have been the missed deadline he set on himself. it's all the complaints have been about. The length itself is not what people are mad about. The pledgers have been patient and will continue to wait. So no, length is not the cause of the pages of debating.

 

[CoomerKing]

Y'all still mad about this, that's crazy. It's been almost a week, just move on. Guy just couldn't update on time when he said he could, ended up baiting literally everyone until the last straw. It is what it is, only people getting shafted are the people who pledged. The rest of us should just touch grass until the guy wants to release the update, it's not the end of the world. Type shit.

 

[preglovr12]

The length itself is not what people are mad about.

The length is why people feel lied to. Going from "This'll take a month" to "I need two more months, three total" is what feels most like the lie. I dont think WWG lied personally, but I do think, given all the evidence, that he didnt keep his word when he said he'd keep people up to date. Two more months of work dont manifest themselves out of thin air.

The pledgers have been patient and will continue to wait.

IDK why you keep bringing up pledgers as if they matter. Ever heard of the suck cost fallacy?

 

[dartred]

IDK why you keep bringing up pledgers as if they matter. Ever heard of the suck cost fallacy?

The pledgers don't matter? How can you say that? The pledgers are ALL that matter. Keep them happy and they stay pledge and for the most part, yes, the most part, they have been. We aren't going to judge his 5 years of development over this 2 month delay.

This game doesn't run off the pirates. Having pledgers are what keep the game in development. This game is WWGs main income. To say that pledgers don't matter, like this game would exist without them?

Just imagine if he made the game for pirates first and his pledgers second. I don't care what side of the argument you're on. You absolutely know the pledgers (aka the money) should be WWGs goals.

 

[14137]

The pledgers don't matter?....

This game doesn't run off the pirates.....

Without F95, there would be no WWG today.
Now you keep emphasizing "pirates" and "money" in every sentence and every speech you make.
Do you know the phrase "kill the donkey after it has done its work"?

 

[elbo911]

It might be smart if WWG changes his approach to episodic storytelling for his next game. Maybe he can plan a more compartmentalized story, so he can put out smaller and more frequent updates? I mean, I love how a chapter in Power Vacuum gives attention to many characters, and interweaves their stories into something cohesive, but the downside is it takes a long time to create something like that.

Maybe he will consider that smarter as to better placate the masses. I really hope not though. I feel it would unnecessarily constrict him in the way he lays out his story, either directly leading to a worse end result or indirectly via deadening his spirit first.

Like you said, i love the interweaving stores, where you have to see enough of a characters story to do another persons. I'm sure it can be done, but it's not the same when a dev jumps you around in the story compared to having some control yourself.

regardless. His name game will probably hit the reset button. With new story means the characters have their inhibitions about incest. So i wouldn't expect much, if any, sex scenes. so earlier chapters will probably be coming out faster since it'll be less animating and more story building.

Yeah, and people will complain that he should work faster, maybe make larger updates, to finally get to the sexy stuff. -.-

He said "update is still progressing, just at a slower pace." not that it had been put on pause.

"At least 2 months" is so crazy that I still think he might have meant to say "at most 2 months"

So, WWG not being able to work on PV at all for a certain amount of time isn't possible because of the exact wording he used and what you make of it, but if it means you'll get your fix sooner it's totally possible he just mistyped something.

We know he's doing epilogues, and if he's this far behind, why not just save a couple scenes for the epilogues?

Because they're describing stuff that's meant to happen at a point in the story before the epilogues?
With that line of thought one might wanna propose to him to leave the character introductions for a DLC in his next game, so he gets to the sexy stuff earlier.
EDIT: Have you played this game at all?

 

[Creativemind]

Can someone post the unshared wallpapers??

 

[rhcp725]

There also seems to be a misconception of how much work still needs to be done. WWG is dealing with IRL issues that are preventing work on the game. Whatever those issues are need to be resolved before he can continue. He doesn't know how long it's going to take to reach the point that he'll be able to resume proper work on the game.

The last completion percent number he gave was 93% complete back in January. How much of that 7% remains is unknown but none of it can get done if outside factors are preventing progress. It's not he needs 2+ months to work on completing the update, it's he needs that time to get his other shit in order and finish the update.