Fayn Arawn

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So I'm seeing a pattern here. The people here (mostly, if not all the ones that don't even subscribe to him) are mad that he lied and/or he missed his date. The problem all comes down to is, the date.

So you're telling me, all this uproar would have not happened if he never said an expected release date in the first place? like he could spend the exact same time developing the game, releases the game in May and got no complaints, because he didn't make an expected release date? that's wild.

Well, maybe some complaints about the long dev time, but not persecuted to the same degree because he missed his predicted release date.
If WWG hadn't given a projected release window, yeah there'd probably be less anger. However, after all this time, I think supporters deserve to have some idea of when he'll be done. With every month that goes by people are growing more frustrated anyway, so naturally there would still be frustration and complaints, even if to a lesser degree.
 

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I agree, a year and a half is a long time to wait, but that's not the issue that people are bringing up, not even a little. the issue that keeps being repeated is the "lie / betrayal". which is funny, because it's something WWG doesn't have to do in the first place. He doesn't have to give a date. Not sure if he ever checks this site, but if he does. I wouldn't be surprised if for his next game he just stops giving predictions all together. it won't change his development time. People just won't know what goal he's aiming for anymore.
 
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Fayn Arawn

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It might be smart if WWG changes his approach to episodic storytelling for his next game. Maybe he can plan a more compartmentalized story, so he can put out smaller and more frequent updates? I mean, I love how a chapter in Power Vacuum gives attention to many characters, and interweaves their stories into something cohesive, but the downside is it takes a long time to create something like that.
 

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Like you said, i love the interweaving stores, where you have to see enough of a characters story to do another persons. I'm sure it can be done, but it's not the same when a dev jumps you around in the story compared to having some control yourself.

regardless. His name game will probably hit the reset button. With new story means the characters have their inhibitions about incest. So i wouldn't expect much, if any, sex scenes. so earlier chapters will probably be coming out faster since it'll be less animating and more story building.
 

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I support whatever time WWG needs to take. That being said, I believe most peoples frustrations isn't about the missed date but more about the lack of transparency. If they would have said they were dealing with some irl issues from the jump, I don't believe they would be getting as much heat as they are now. WWG post the march 1st status update saying planning release end of month and let us say irl issue happens on the 2nd, which requires most if not all of their attention the next couple weeks. When they posted the teaser salad on the 15th, they should have let us know there. Days before planned release is not ideal.
 

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I support whatever time WWG needs to take. That being said, I believe most peoples frustrations isn't about the missed date but more about the lack of transparency. If they would have said they were dealing with some irl issues from the jump, I don't believe they would be getting as much heat as they are now. WWG post the march 1st status update saying planning release end of month and let us say irl issue happens on the 2nd, which requires most if not all of their attention the next couple weeks. When they posted the teaser salad on the 15th, they should have let us know there. Days before planned release is not ideal.
It's not just that. it's the amount of time too. If it was 1 or 2 week delay like last update then the last minute status update would be easy to swallow. "At least 2 months" is so crazy that I still think he might have meant to say "at most 2 months"
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It's not just that. it's the amount of time too. If it was 1 or 2 week delay like last update then the last minute status update would be easy to swallow. "At least 2 months" is so crazy that I still think he might have meant to say "at most 2 months"
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Yeah it is hard to swallow "at least two months". Cause if we were to go off the march 1st post, they should only have had about 4 weeks of work left. I have to imagine its a combination of them miscalculating the work they had left and personal issues. Hopefully you are right and WWG meant to say "at most 2 months".
 
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The fundamental problem is that he shouldn't have made this promise that he couldn't keep.
I'm sorry, I don't know why you quoted me in this post. It has nothing to do with my (genuine) question, which wasn't even addressed to you.

Speaking of which...
I assume you mean he wouldn't delay the game again? I dont think he ever said that.
He did say that, directly.
I'm sorry, the man who made it clear he will never give a hard deadline, so that he would never have to go over it, said he wouldn't delay the game again? When did he do that? Because I'm looking at the updates of the last year and a half, and I can't find anywhere where he said that.
 

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So I'm seeing a pattern here. The people here (mostly, if not all the ones that don't even subscribe to him) are mad that he lied and/or he missed his date. The problem all comes down to is, the date.

So you're telling me, all this uproar would have not happened if he never said an expected release date in the first place? like he could spend the exact same time developing the game, releases the game in May and got no complaints, because he didn't make an expected release date? that's wild.

Well, maybe some complaints about the long dev time, but not persecuted to the same degree because he missed his predicted release date.
You mean to tell me that people don’t like being misled and lied to??? What a shocking concept. “So you’re telling me if he didn’t lie and mislead his fans, they wouldn’t be as angry?” How is this even an actual question you need to pose.

Of course you just excuse it and act like that’s not shady, we all know you’ll never say anything even remotely resembling criticism about your lord and savior.
 
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You mean to tell me that people don’t like being misled and lied to??? What a shocking concept. “So you’re telling me if he didn’t lie and mislead his fans, they wouldn’t be as angry?” How is this even an actual question you need to pose.

Of course you just excuse it and act like that’s not shady, we all know you’ll never say anything even remotely resembling criticism about your lord and savior.
uh... what? the problem is he missed his prediction. missing his prediction made the "lie". if he just worked on the game without giving a prediction, there's nothing that he could have lied about. how is that so hard to understand?

you guys are mad at what he said. if he said nothing, there'd be nothing for you guys to be angry at. he could have just continued releasing his teasers every 2 weeks until the game eventually dropped.

again, like i said in my last post and you're proving it here. You guys are mad that he missed his prediction.

edit: forgot to address the first part. i never said that. i never said people don't like that. when did i even talk about that? weird thing to put into my mouth. as a matter of fact, i said i disliked the delay several times in this thread and even on the previous page.
 

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Huh? If he said nothing people would still be wondering where the hell the update is that he said was 93% completed at the beginning of January, likely claiming that to be a lie.
not really. the argument is his predictions. if he never did percentages or any form of tell of how much he thought he had complete, there would be no lie to poke at. it would just waiting for teasers and see when it drops.

and yes, how much he "thought" he had completed. The game is worked on and developed with just an idea what the next update will hold. ask most devs, scenes are added as it goes. You often get a flash of an idea and you add a scene that wasn't planned. In this case, it's the devs last chapter. he said he is trying to include as much as possible. Not to mention he had to add extra scenes for the last chance polls.
 
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not really. the argument is his predictions. if he never did percentages or any form of tell of how much he thought he had complete, there would be no lie to poke at. it would just waiting for teasers and see when it drops.
If he never said anything people would be mad he never said anything. Sure, there'd be less people mad but he'd probably have less patrons as well. This is a pointless thought experiment and idk what point youre trying to make.

and yes, how much he "thought" he had completed. The game is worked on and developed with just an idea what the next update will hold. ask most devs, scenes are added as it goes. You often get a flash of an idea and you add a scene that wasn't planned. In this case, it's the devs last chapter. he said he is trying to include as much as possible. Not to mention he had to add extra scenes for the last chance polls.
We know he's doing epilogues, and if he's this far behind, why not just save a couple scenes for the epilogues? In December he said it was a slow month in which he had the flu and obviously the holidays yet he still completed 4% of the update. We're three months away from that point and he thinks he needs another couple?
 

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not really. the argument is his predictions. if he never did percentages or any form of tell of how much he thought he had complete, there would be no lie to poke at. it would just waiting for teasers and see when it drops.

and yes, how much he "thought" he had completed. The game is worked on and developed with just an idea what the next update will hold. ask most devs, scenes are added as it goes. You often get a flash of an idea and you add a scene that wasn't planned. In this case, it's the devs last chapter. he said he is trying to include as much as possible. Not to mention he had to add extra scenes for the last chance polls.
That was the truth. He shouldn't have made this random announcement.
After waiting for more than a year, everyone was waiting anxiously and suppressed.
His sudden announcement was like a battle horn, inspiring everyone's fighting spirit. His popularity reached its peak.
Then he "mistaken".
The anger is justified. Even for free players. These free players come because they love and look forward to this game too.
 

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If he never said anything people would be mad he never said anything. Sure, there'd be less people mad but he'd probably have less patrons as well. This is a pointless thought experiment and idk what point youre trying to make.
I didn't say, "say nothing". I said, anything to do when it's going to release. He would still posts status updates every 15 days as usual to show his work and what scenes he's done. things that get people excited for the upcoming chapter.
 

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The anger is justified. Even for free players. These free players come because they love and look forward to this game too.
This is weird. you say free players. Just call it what they are, pirates and that's fine. I'm guilty of pirating games too, it's why were all on this site. The way you word it makes it sound like WWG gives out a free edition. Which some devs do.

it's just weird that the people that are pirating, are complaining the loudest, telling the pledgers what they should be feeling. While the people pledging have been mostly cool headed and understanding.

Why is that? that the pledges are not the ones up in arms, but the pirates are angry about the missed date?
 
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I didn't say, "say nothing". I said, anything to do when it's going to release. He would still posts status updates every 15 days as usual to show his work and what scenes he's done. things that get people excited for the upcoming chapter.
Most of his recent status updates are literally just a percentage...
 
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Most of his recent status updates are literally just a percentage...
I know. I'm talking about that being the root the problem. He gave %'s and timeframes and he wasn't on the mark. The forum exploded. So i called out that the anger stems from the dev's post about his timeframes. So i'm saying that the anger is really dumb and that can be cancelled out by the dev not posting things like %'s and guesses. Instead just work on the game and keep us updated. his pledgers are not the ones mad that he missed his guess.

what i'm trying to get at is. If he didn't give us timeframes on when he thought he was going to finish, this bump in the road that happened to him could have happened and we would have never know, unless he tells us. We would just assume he is working on the game, business as usual. we wouldn't have known it happened right at the finish line either. .he would just continue with teasers and normal status updates every 15 days.

that about sums it up.
 
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