Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Kingkoopa97]

All you did was give an update timeline that translates into nothing. What does the frequency of updates of PV have to do with people being angry feeling cheated that he won't release an update this month? Spend your money how you want we are all adults here, but alot of his subs are investing in the game as a whole because they enjoy it and would like to see the creator prosper and continue to be able to create.

It shows nobody should be surprised he delayed yet another update but what did surprise me was the length of the delay, He posted 15 days ago and in his last status update said it was deffo coming in March, There is no fucking way he underestimated his workload by months rather than days -couple weeks. so he knew in advance the update wasn't coming but only confirmed that in the last day or two?

 

[omarsayed]

It shows nobody should be surprised he delayed yet another update but what did surprise me was the length of the delay, He posted 15 days ago and in his last status update said it was deffo coming in March, There is no fucking way he underestimated his workload by months rather than days -couple weeks. So he knew in advance the update wasn't coming but only confirmed that in the last day or two?

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My point exactly anyone can still defend how they like, but how can anyone defend him about straight up lying in his fans' face
He knew when he typed that status update, it's not coming this month and he still choose to bait people to buy more time for him.

And here is a bigger question, what guarantees he will release the update in a couple of ((month)) ??
He said at least, btw, which could range from 6 to 12 months. Good luck with that. Anyone who's still willing to trust him and wait for all that time have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[Gwimmly]

It shows nobody should be surprised he delayed yet another update but what did surprise me was the length of the delay, He posted 15 days ago and in his last status update said it was deffo coming in March, There is no fucking way he underestimated his workload by months rather than days -couple weeks. so he knew in advance the update wasn't coming but only confirmed that in the last day or two?

Read his post again. He mentions whatever was happening has gotten unexpectedly worse. So when he pushes the beta out he knows he won't be able to allocate the time for bugfixing(and other touch ups) until the irl issue is fixed. This is a passion project of his he wants to make sure the last final chapter of his game is perfect in his eyes.

 

[dartred]

He said at least, btw, which could range from 6 to 12 months. Good luck with that. Anyone who's still willing to trust him and wait for all that time have no one to blame but themselves.

Why do you arbitrarily get to set the minimum to 6 months? what facts can you point to, to make you say "when he says at least a couple months, he means 6 minimum"? Why can't it be 2 months? Where are you pulling your statistics from? every delay he has had has only been a few days. His longest delay was 1 month and that one he gave us notice ahead of time. So how can you pull 6 months out of nowhere when there's never been a precedence for it before?

Yeah, i agree that if the game still needed a few months, he probably knew for a while that the update wasn't going to be ready for march. You're acting like he's been lying to us time and time again. We are suppose to "stop trusting him" because in the 5 years of making PV, he messed up big time once? Please, tell me 1 dev who hasn't. WWG doesn't mess up on a consistent basis to be called "untrustworthy".

edit: i also want to be clear. I don't like the delay either.

 

[Mmind]

I'm huffing some hopium with this but there is always the chance he said it would take 5-7 days for the refund to process knowing that the update would be out for April 1st and everyone that messages him R will get a link for it instead along with an April fools wallpaper. I can't really explain the discrepancy between the last update and the current TBD otherwise.

 

[JohnnyCage23]

I'm huffing some hopium with this but there is always the chance he said it would take 5-7 days for the refund to process knowing that the update would be out for April 1st and everyone that messages him R will get a link for it instead along with an April fools wallpaper. I can't really explain the discrepancy between the last update and the current TBD otherwise.

Dude, I was thinking the same thing. I hope this is the case.

 

[dartred]

I'm huffing some hopium with this but there is always the chance he said it would take 5-7 days for the refund to process knowing that the update would be out for April 1st and everyone that messages him R will get a link for it instead along with an April fools wallpaper. I can't really explain the discrepancy between the last update and the current TBD otherwise.

That's something i was discussing too. That this is too strange for WWG. He has given early warnings if the game was going to be delayed. Especially saying it will be out in march, when the game would be months away from ready. I want to say he's trolling us for an april 1st release.

there's a way he can release it both april 1st and march 31st. He lives east coast. When it turns april 1st, he can april fools prank, but the rest of the US will still be in march 31st.

Could be a stretch and his post could still be real, but i just find it strange. Mostly because WWG never said "TBD" on a release date. Repeating myself here, but he has always known with good estimate when he is going to be finishing his update. To have an unexpected slowdown near the end and that add months to the development? I'm not buying it.

 

[omarsayed]

Why do you arbitrarily get to set the minimum to 6 months? what facts can you point to, to make you say "when he says at least a couple months, he means 6 minimum"? Why can't it be 2 months? Where are you pulling your statistics from? every delay he has had has only been a few days. His longest delay was 1 month and that one he gave us notice ahead of time. So how can you pull 6 months out of nowhere when there's never been a precedence for it before?

Yeah, i agree that if the game still needed a few months, he probably knew for a while that the update wasn't going to be ready for march. You're acting like he's been lying to us time and time again. We are suppose to "stop trusting him" because in the 5 years of making PV, he messed up big time once? Please, tell me 1 dev who hasn't. WWG doesn't mess up on a consistent basis to be called "untrustworthy".

edit: i also want to be clear. I don't like the delay either.

So let me get this straight, you are upset by the amount of time I said he could take but not upset by the fact he did delay for a couple of months, fair enough, let me explain why did I say 6 months.

First, he said a couple in my experience, that's around 3 or 4 if it was less than that he would have clearly said as two month delay.
Secondly, he said ((at least)) so those 3 4 months could go easily to 5 or 6 months, hope that's clear enough for you ??

And now let me ask you this, if you have GF and she kissed some other guy and lied about it for ((ONE) time only, would you trust her again knowing hey this girl lied to me only once, I surely can trust her again, right ??

Bro, he straight up lied knowing he won't update it this month why should I or anyone else belive him again, It's not an exucxue if other developer did it,that just means they are shit too simple as that,It's basic humen behver btw if someone lie to me I tend to not trust him.

Im mad about the delay but am more mad bec he was lying for at least the whole last month or two when he is not even that close to getting it finish and you should be mad too.

 

[pinkie96]

It crossed my mind also when I saw "at least 2 months" but it's too fucked up to even think about. I can't cope hoping for a april fools fake out only to be let down again like Tony vs Khabib.

 

[Merlin899]

That's something i was discussing too. That this is too strange for WWG. He has given early warnings if the game was going to be delayed. Especially saying it will be out in march, when the game would be months away from ready. I want to say he's trolling us for an april 1st release.

I struggling to figure out how he could be this far behind, there are like 20+ teasers already. Two months behind on writing seems crazy.

 

[strenif]

Mmmm....

If it is an April 1st gag, it's not a good one.

You should always go a little wacky with April 1st gags.

Like saying he found god and can't in good conscious make porn anymore.


Could be he was planning to cut some content and rush a March release but couldn't manage it, so now that he's missed his own deadline he may as well bring that cut content back into play.

 

[strenif]

It crossed my mind also when I saw "at least 2 months" but it's too fucked up to even think about. I can't cope hoping for a april fools fake out only to be let down again like Tony vs Khabib.

In your sig, the third image. That's not from an event in game is it? It's a wall paper or something right?

 

[strenif]

I struggling to figure out how he could be this far behind, there are like 20+ teasers already. Two months behind on writing seems crazy.

Not as crazy as you might think.

Writing takes a ton of time to do. If he left all the writing till after he was done making renders and animations (a mistake I've made before). Then he's got this massive wall of work that can and will suck the life out of you to get through.

 

[JohnnyCage23]

Mmmm....

If it is an April 1st gag, it's not a good one.

You should always go a little wacky with April 1st gags.

Like saying he found god and can't in good conscious make porn anymore.


Could be he was planning to cut some content and rush a March release but couldn't manage it, so now that he's missed his own deadline he may as well bring that cut content back into play.

It's working well enough because some people are losing their shit.

 

[dartred]

First, he said a couple in my experience, that's around 3 or 4 if it was less than that he would have clearly said as two month delay.
Secondly, he said ((at least)) so those 3 4 months could go easily to 5 or 6 months, hope that's clear enough for you ??

And now let me ask you this, if you have GF and she kissed some other guy and lied about it for ((ONE) time only, would you trust her again knowing hey this girl lied to me only once, I surely can trust her again, right ??

That's not how that works. You are taught early in school that a couple always means 2 minimum, always. You don't use your own experience to define "a couple".

The GF example is an example you used to make it look as worst as possible.

here, let me do one too to show how stupid it is to bring in your own example. Say you need to write a report in black ink. you carry black and blue ink in your bag. you start by writing your name at the top and noticed you used blue ink on accident. Are you going to stop packing blue ink in your bag so you don't accidently use it again in the future? No right?

See how stupid it is to bring in our own examples? i can minimalize the damage while you can maximize it.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

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[omarsayed]

That's not how that works. You are taught early in school that a couple always means 2 minimum, always. You don't use your own experience to define "a couple".

The GF example is an example you used to make it look as worst as possible.

here, let me do one too to show how stupid it is to bring in your own example. Say you need to write a report in black ink. you carry black and blue ink in your bag. you start by writing your name at the top and noticed you used blue ink on accident. Are you going to stop packing blue ink in your bag so you don't accidently use it again in the future? No right?

See how stupid it is to bring in our own examples? i can minimalize the damage while you can maximize it.

You and me could keep arguing forever about how big the lie is, but that doesn't change the fact that he did lie at the end .

I used to support him before I really liked the game and I like WWG he was a chill guy in the few convo we had,that doesn't change the fact this is still a lie, and he should b ashamed of the way he treated people and the fans who trusted him and his words.

Yes mistakes can happen to any of us but a mistake of at least ((two)) months delay along with a big fat lie coming with it, gonna surly make people mad weather you liked it or not, if you think this is normal and there is no reason for people to get mad at him than you are delusional bec not everyone gonna b so understanding and forgving for a developer he didn't meet before

 

[dartred]

You and me could keep arguing forever about how big the lie is, but that doesn't change the fact that he did lie at the end .

I never said he didn't. We didn't argue about him lying. What are you talking about?

he should b ashamed of the way he treated people and the fans who trusted him and his words.

again, how did he treat his fans? you're acting like he pulled a malicious scheme years in the making. He had a delay in release of his game. calm down bro. I'm not trying to underplay that this delay is a big one, but again, it's ONE delay. You suddenly think he's the worlds enemy and (purely as an example of the hatred you hold for him) slept with you wife.

Yes mistakes can happen to any of us but a mistake of at least ((two)) months delay along with a big fat lie coming with it, gonna surly make people mad weather you liked or not, if you think this is normal and there is no reason for people to get mad at him than you are delusional bec not everyone gonna b so unerstanding and forgving for a developer he didn't meet before

The mistake is the lie, don't try to split it into two and oversell it. I also don't think it's normal. I said it before, this delay is unusual, even for him. I even said it myself in a post, I don't like the fact it got delayed. I think you're the odd one out on the one that thinks the dev won't be understanding or forgiven.

This dev has been making PV for 5 years now. He has been CONSISTANT with his update. Before anyone says "but updates got longer!!!". They still came out with the amount of content to show for it. People who have been here long enough have seen the dev been consistent.

He use to gives teasers 3 times a month, with 6+ teasers in each post. Look at any other game here, seriously, any other game. They post teaser images once a month with maybe ONE image. Some don't post any images. Some just post Proof of life that they are still alive and working on the game. WWG is out here showing us 20+ images a month and what scene he's working on.

His delays, when he got them are also because he tried making predictions months in advance when he THINKS an update is going to be ready. To only delay them by a few days is not something he should have been attacked for.

Then there's you. You want us to all turn on him by saying he should not be forgiven and he's lying to all of us. That's the thing about a dev that has been here this long. He actually earned his trust and a mistake once isn't going to suddenly make everyone turn on him. It hurts his credibility, not destroys it.

I can think of many BIG devs that make way more then WWG does and they actually lie and take advantage of people. Milfy City anyone?

 

[apn6527]

My sig if you want end of game and only want it for the gallery. also, did install the patch from the OP?

How to get that? Link please

 

[omarsayed]

Then there's you. You want us to all turn on him by saying he should not be forgiven and he's lying to all of us. That's the thing about a dev that has been here this long. He actually earned his trust and a mistake once isn't going to suddenly make everyone turn on him. It hurts his credibility, not destroys it.

I can think of many BIG devs that make way more then WWG does and they actually lie and take advantage of people. Milfy City anyone?

I agree that WWG is among the good guys in the developers here I never said he is bad or he is used to delaying updates stop putting your own words in my mouth.

What makes you think I want everyone to turn on him I specifically said people are gonna be mad about the (lie) and the (delay), and it's simply stating a fact you could check a few pages behind.

You are the one keeps saying it's just a delay mistake when the truth is it's not just a delay, WWG did lie, at least this whole month about the date of the update, weather you liked or not that's not called a mistake, A mistake is one someone does something unintentionally, lying a whole month is not a mistake in my book speacilfy when it comes from a dev I like.

Anyway, let us agree to disagree and cut things short here; you and me both want the update to come sooner rather than later. I just hope this kind of behaviour doesn't become a thing for him later on.

Sry if my words did offended you before in anyway it was not my intention btw.