Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Laird04]

Of course I am because there is literally a rule about talking about the development cycle. This development stuff crap is annoying when people talk about in this thread and it's annoying when people talk about it in every other thread. I don't care if you hate how long the game takes. I don't care if you think the dev is a liar. The thread derailment is annoying.

Okay so just ignore it if you don't like it. Just like how you don't care what other people think, others also do not care whether you like what they have to say either.

 

[uscmiller22]

I don't have a problem with people repeating the same stuff over and over again. I have an issue with people derail conversations about the actual plot and characters of the game to talk about the development cycle and call the dev a scam artist. They do this in nearly every thread that has long update cycles and it always kills any genuine exciment people have for the next update or interest in actual discussion. Because we always have people arguing about milkers on one side and another side of people saying it's not a milker or to just shut up and leave.

Exact same arguments, the exact same people no matter what the game. I want actual discussions about the plot and characters of the game. I don't care if someone said the same thing back in January. If they said it it's long enough I forgot about it anyway.


Of course I am because there is literally a rule about talking about the development cycle. This development stuff crap is annoying when people talk about in this thread and it's annoying when people talk about it in every other thread. I don't care if you hate how long the game takes. I don't care if you think the dev is a liar. The thread derailment is annoying



We literally have a rule about dicussing development cycle, we literally get this exact same argument every development cycle for every game. This thread is here to talk about the game. If you want to complain about the game why don't you actually message and vent to the dev himself or on the discord

You sure are doing a lot of running around to argue with the moderator just to make sure no one says anything negative about your precious WWG. Almost like you know it's all true and desperately don't want anyone to mention it. The moderator said speaking on the delay is fine, he's the moderator not you, move on. If you don't want to talk about the delay, ignore it and don't talk about it. You don't control the conversation here.

 

[KingProphet!]

Well there goes that this is BS

 

[Laird04]

So anyway guys, about the delay...

 

[preglovr12]

I think you know exactly what he's been getting at...

The same recycled arguments concerning development time/missed dates, the trolling/flame bait posts throwing not-so-thinly veiled insults at anyone who's not bitching about WWG from the same people. The kind of things that are deemed off-topic and get deleted en-masse.

That's the whole issue though. Consistent updates means that type of bitching is easily thrown out as off topic, but in this case, assuming WWG gets this update out when he says he will, it will be two months away from our abandoned tag. I don't see how that type of discussion is off topic at all here.

You sure are doing a lot of running around to argue with the moderator just to make sure no one says anything negative about your precious WWG. Almost like you know it's all true and desperately don't want anyone to mention it. The moderator said speaking on the delay is fine, he's the moderator not you, move on. If you don't want to talk about the delay, ignore it and don't talk about it. You don't control the conversation here.

I enjoy the discussion, it helps understanding on both sides typically. That clearly isnt the case here.

 

[storm1051787]

That's the whole issue though. Consistent updates means that type of bitching is easily thrown out as off topic, but in this case, assuming WWG gets this update out when he says he will, it will be two months away from our abandoned tag. I don't see how that type of discussion is off topic at all here.



I enjoy the discussion, it helps understanding on both sides typically. That clearly isnt the case here.

I fail to see how the update time suddenly makes something off topic then on topic now. If it was off topic when the update came out it's still off topic now.

 

[Snugglepuff]

That's the whole issue though.

No no, don't try to recontextualise what I wrote. That's incredibly disingenuous.
He's even said the same thing, and you're here in this thread as it's happening too.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

Wouldnt people new to the thread be repeating the same stuff as earlier in the thread? Isnt that what you have an issue with?

I think you've encountered this before... you know how it always happens, the same arguments everywhere when there's a delay... and everywhere the same arguments about *abandoned* and *on-hold*... smart guys pop up everywhere to defend their own lol

 

[preglovr12]

I fail to see how the update time suddenly makes something off topic then on topic now. If it was off topic when the update came out it's still off topic now.

You genuinely dont see how the exact same post can easily be dismissed as a poor attempt at trolling days after an update but a year and a half after one is a genuine topic of conversation?

No no, don't try to recontextualise what I wrote. That's incredibly disingenuous.
He's even said the same thing, and you're here in this thread as it's happening too.

If you think that's a misinterpretation then I failed to read what you meant in your message. Please reword it so I can understand.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

I didn't say he was milking nor do i think he is.

He lied to his supporters and everyone looking forward to this update for 13 months.

if his staunchest supporters didn't defend every single criticism of WWG small or large maybe the thread wouldn't have so many repeat conversations maybe just allow people to say their piece and they will leave, the fact that this stunt he pulled last minute has so many defenders is just sad.

If you think WWG isn't milking, then what should people be upset about?

If WWG's "staunchest supporters didn't defend every single criticism", would they be his staunchest supporters?

What is your central thesis anyway? You just come across as deeply resentful for some reason that's unclear.

 

[storm1051787]

You genuinely dont see how the exact same post can easily be dismissed as a poor attempt at trolling days after an update but a year and a half after one is a genuine topic of conversation?

That's not what trolling means and that's not what most of those comments getting removed are. Most of them are people bitching because they dislike that the update takes longer than a couple months in the first place. It has nothing to do with them being a troll, it's just annoying people.

Same with the flaming, it's not people trolling it's entitled people who simply just don't care. I don't see why people complaining about the development cycle being to long after a month is any different than people complaining about it now. It would be different if the removed comments were saying the game "never" updates and should get the abandonment tag after a month. But that's not what the people complaining about the game being a scam are doing

You sure are doing a lot of running around to argue with the moderator just to make sure no one says anything negative about your precious WWG. Almost like you know it's all true and desperately don't want anyone to mention it. The moderator said speaking on the delay is fine, he's the moderator not you, move on. If you don't want to talk about the delay, ignore it and don't talk about it. You don't control the conversation here.

Like I said you can say whatever negative bullshit about the game you want. I don't care about it. I find this conversation annoying and I find the fact that every thread of this site ends up the same way after a few months annoying.

 

[Snugglepuff]

If you think that's a misinterpretation then I failed to read what you meant in your message. Please reword it so I can understand.

I don't think you're misinterpreting anything. You know precisely what I was saying, what storm1051787 was saying, and what MAGO-DAG was saying.

 

[preglovr12]

I don't think you're misinterpreting anything. You know precisely what I was saying, what storm1051787 was saying, and what MAGO-DAG was saying.

You two know you can block people right? Seems that's the fundamental issue at hand here.

 

[Only1P]

Imagine arguing with a mod when things dont go your way.

Flaming and trolling should get timed out and penalized.

But people can express their thoughts about the delay, that it feels weird, that it came out of nowhere, that it felt like a prank, that itll be 16 months at least by the time the chapter comes out while the previous one took 10, that the dev missed the mark by an unusual long shot.

These are all pretty valid to me I dont see why people should be silenced for that.

 

[preglovr12]

Again, no personal attacks and no more passive aggressive shit from now on.

 

[storm1051787]

Imagine arguing with a mod when things dont go your way.

Flaming and trolling should get timed out and penalized.

But people can express their thoughts about the delay, that it feels weird, that it came out of nowhere, that it felt like a prank, that itll be 16 months at least by the time the chapter comes out while the previous one took 10, that the dev missed the mark by an unusual long shot.

These are all pretty valid to me I dont see why people should be silenced for that.

Because there is a rule about it.

Because it devolves into peopleinsulting each other for not agreeing

Because it devolves to less about critisim for the dev and more outright insults for the dev and any supporters.


Because this is a repeated phenomena that happens on multiple game threads. And if you guys truely think your complaint and "critisim" are valid. Then I don't see why you should have a problem with anything i'm saying. You're venting and so am I.

 

[SuddenReal]

I enjoy the discussion, it helps understanding on both sides typically. That clearly isnt the case here.

Well no, because one of the sides can only be explained clearly by WWG and he's not giving his side. Then again, why should he? It's his personal life, so it's none of our business. So, we only get one side and a lot of speculation, which is not productive at all, which is why the rule was probably made in the first place.

So yeah, there's no discussion, just a lot of (unfounded) blame thrown around.

 

[preglovr12]

Well no, because one of the sides can only be explained clearly by WWG and he's not giving his side. Then again, why should he? It's his personal life, so it's none of our business. So, we only get one side and a lot of speculation, which is not productive at all, which is why the rule was probably made in the first place.

So yeah, there's no discussion, just a lot of (unfounded) blame thrown around.

The two sides I was referring to in that post have nothing to do with WWG, but taken completely out of context I understand what you mean.

 

[DD69-1]

So the people here are mad about how WWG's supporters aren't mad at him ?

 

[Satou Pendragon]

So the people here are mad about how WWG's supporters aren't mad at him ?

Yes.